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I would be very curious to hear the experience of other's on this. Does this happen to either of you when switched? Jackal in particular, because I am aware that you switch for long periods of times.

...when I am switched in, it is me. I don't experience any turning into Skye temporarily, unless she is excited about something and lets out an exclamation while I am there - but this is highly uncommon, and has never happened while I was talking to somebody else in person.

I see.

1:49 AM

Winter, may I ask how long you tend to switch for at a time?

we experience similar. host can just answer in our place most the time, or consult us but its feels kinda like copiloting cause it's definitely me typing even though I am being proxied. partial possession perhaps?

Depends on the situation. I tend to switch for roughly 24+ hours at a time.

For example of what I mean, while I proxy this tends to happen one way or another. It becomes difficult to think as the other.

That said, I typically switch when meeting with friends of mine.

1:50 AM

@Raven I would highly recommend attempting to isolate the feeling and to move when not typing. (edited)

harley, now that you mention it we can do the low-resolution modelling, but I wouldn't say it's something we do at all. mode-switching is pretty easy for us, possibly because our thoughts are closer together than most I think

not sure what you mean by that, we can do full possession also, but yet to completely switch

What do you mean that your thoughts are closer together than most?

Ah.

1:53 AM

@Raven In that case, I know the feeling you're referring to.

thoughts being close together as in little separation

I am still unclear of your meaning.

such that it's ever been unclear who it was that thought a particular thought?

I see. Perhaps that is what he means.

Perhaps - extremely similar thoughts, some muddiness as to who is actually who?

it's not usually like that per se

1:56 AM

I mean more like, hmm

1:56 AM

our thought processes aren't as different in the first place (edited)

1:57 AM

it's usually clear who identifies with which thought but possibly if you removed that qualia, it would be difficult to discern from a 'transcript' of thoughs or whatever

I think I do understand what you mean.

agreed

You think in a similar way, where as me and Angel are much more different in comparison to you and Isolde?

yeah I think so

1:58 AM

and I expect being similar would make mode switching easier

I would think so as well. Though, if you are so similar, it makes me ask what the point of having a tulpa is in the first place?

I guess we still constitute company for each other. anyway, it's not like we're identical

1:59 AM

just more similar than most

1:59 AM

(someone's gotta be)

I feel similar to Melody, but she's far more serious than I can be.

I see. That does make sense. Do you have any other reason to have a tulpa other than being lonesome?

well, I think the similarity is only half the story when it comes to us being 'close together'

2:01 AM

a dialogue between us is basically how our self-aware thoughts work at this point

2:01 AM

to the extent that it takes a lot of effort to have a series of self-aware thoughts which involve only one of us

2:01 AM

so it'd be difficult for one of us to get rid of the other

As it is in most cases.

well, for lots of people it seems to be easier to get rid of tulpa

That does make sense. We can do that as well, in a way, but it does take us out of either being "Angel' or 'Harleen" and makes it more of a strange mixture. This is a useful tool to help decide whoever would be most beneficial at any given moment.

what do you mean by "that"

2:03 AM

having a dialogue?

as in talking to each other presumably

2:04 AM

not necessarily out loud

I mean the thought patterns and speech patterns of both of the individual personalities.

2:06 AM

It can become a strange mix of the two, rather than just being one person up front, but it is easier to pull out of the thoughts of each and switch to the other, but it makes it harder to be just one at any given moment.

2:06 AM

I do hope I am expressing myself clearly.

I'm still not wholly clear on what you mean you're doing when this happens

2:07 AM

if it's not two of you having a dialogue

eclipsing perhaps?

It is both of us using the body at one time, perhaps speaking to another person.

2:09 AM

It does make it harder to get into character as one but easier to switch to the other at the same time.

ah ok, co-fronting

oh I get you

2:09 AM

makes sense

2:09 AM

yeah, I don't think we get that

2:09 AM

apart from maybe getting mixed up as to who should be responding to who

2:10 AM

once that's sorted there's no difference as far as I can see, looking back on memories

I don't think it is co-fronting, because it does not feel like we are separate identities at the time, unless we force it to feel that way intentionally.

Sometimes I confuse Vivi with Melody and visa versa. So I have to stop everything and work out who spoke.

it is something like tangling both of our thoughts to do this.

It's a bit more rare to confuse my own thoughts with theirs.

I see. I do not think I have experienced confusing one of our thoughts for another.

happens for us sometimes

2:16 AM

although it's more like

2:16 AM

in the transition from not self-aware to self-aware

2:16 AM

we can be having a dialogue but without identities attached to either side

2:16 AM

then coming into awareness it can be ambiguous as to who was which side

Most of the time my girls have a specific head feeling when they talk.

2:18 AM

When I think my own thoughts, sometimes it feels like it comes from the back of my throat.

This is very interesting.

that's called subvocalisation, Bari

2:19 AM

possibly

I wonder if view points change the experiences in any significant way.

I mean, if I think about my thinking, the words feel like sub vocalization. If I think about my tulpas thinking, I shiver a bit.

hmm

2:24 AM

I get the subvocalisations, not the shivering

2:24 AM

and the subvocalisations are a little confusing to me

2:24 AM

why no subvocalisations for tulpa speaking

I'm just strange.

2:24 AM

Oh, it used to feel like subv early on. (edited)

2:25 AM

After 5 years of near constant interjections on Melody's part, it started to feel like she was speaking from my frontal lobe. :L

oh that's interesting

2:26 AM

it never felt like subv for us

2:26 AM

always frontal lobe

Everyone's different, I guess. I like to think it proves tulpa more than it doesn't, somehow. :?

I'm not sure how you would draw that conclusion

2:29 AM

but I guess I'm not too worried about "proving tulpas" either

it's not exactly an easy thing to prove

on the contrary

granted there's stuff like this out there http://i.imgur.com/wK7TU.png

I mean, people are all wired differently.

I guess I take it for granted that anyone who verifies that there is actually a community doing this and that they're kinda sane will conclude that we're not all making stuff up

Our DNA and life experiences shape our neural pathways.

so phenomenologically - i.e., in terms of "do this, experience that" - tulpas are obviously real

I don't think we will be able to really "prove" it. You can't very well prove how you feel, can you?

yeah 'proof' wouldn't really be the right term but if you have a thousand people coming and saying "hey I feel this", it would be pretty weird to say "no, you're lying"

I do agree, though a thousand may be stretching it.

hosts?